Monday, July 14, 2008

What Christie Brinkley and I Have in Common

......and it ain't that we're both supermodels. Nope, Christie and I have something a bit more disturbing in common. It seems that we are both attracted to narcissistic men.

If you have been in a coma or under a rock, you might not be aware of Christie's divorce trial. I haven't even been keeping up with it (I'm not a celebrity watcher), but even I know some of what has come out of the court room. Apparently, according to some shrink who testified, Christie has bad taste in mates and she is attracted to narcissistic men who need their egos fed constantly. Yeah, well Christie, join the club honey.

Christie's plight to get out of her horrible marriage hit a bit close to home for me. I've never been married to a narcissist, but I've definitely dated a couple of them. In fact, if I have a "type" that I am most attracted to, narcissistic boys would be right up there, right next to athletic and smart.

It's not the narcissism that's attractive; it's the facade in front of it that can be alluring. The really talented narcissists are very good at hiding their true nature. These men tend to be very ambitious and successful. They can make you think they can handle and do just about anything they put their minds to. This can be very attractive to a woman who is a nurturer to a fault, a woman who is used taking care of everything and everyone around her. It's a beautiful fantasy that you've finally met a man who can nurture you and take care of you in those times when you need it most. I don't know very much about Christie Brinkley, but I do know myself and I'd bet money she, like me, is used to taking care of everyone but herself. That's how the narcissist gets in, with the promise of being a real equal partner. Someone to help take care of you for a change. But, that's never how it turns out.

Why do intelligent, beautiful women fall for these creeps, you ask? The thing about narcissists is they know how to sell it. When a narcissistic guy pursues you he doesn't come off full of himself and self absorbed. The courting phase is all about you. He will make you think that he is completely into you and will be there for you no matter what. He may even hold your hand when your pet dies or bring your mother flowers, but in the end, all of his wooing and romantic gestures are really more about him than about you. That's the difference between a narcissist and a nurturer. A nurturer does things for you because he cares about you. A narcissist does things because he thinks there's something in it for him.

With these types of men, it's not about bonding and building relationships. It's about what he can get out of those relationships. He dates you because you are a wealthy supermodel who can advance his career with your money and influential friends. He dates you to make him look better to his buddies. He dates you because you are educated and acceptable to his social group (or one he is trying to break into). He dates you because you are what his peers consider marriage material. Marrying/dating you can get him noticed and/or favored with clients, bosses, or others he thinks can help him get ahead. He dates you because you are twenty years his junior and his money/good looks/influence allow him to woo you and make him look like "the man" to his friends. He dates you because you are a nurturer who supports him and boosts his ego. He dates you because you have something to offer him, not the other way around.

The ones that are really good at hiding their true agenda can do so for years, as was probably the case with Christie's soon to be ex. They can even make you think that everything that is wrong in the relationship is really all your fault. His business failures are about your lack of support. His affairs with numerous women are because you made him feel less manly by asking him to change a diaper or two when you had the flu. He's not a philandering jerk, you're a high maintenance, demanding shrew. And many times, we women actually buy these excuses and take the blame on ourselves. And that's why we stay and we ignore.

However, sometimes, the proverbial piano falls on your head. Some guy walks up to you at a graduation and tells you that your husband is sleeping with his teenage daughter. That shit is hard to ignore. It's in these times that you begin to see the whole picture. Too bad Christie's picture included one affair with a teenager and $3000 a month in porn subscriptions.

Thankfully, I've come to be able to recognize narcissistic tendencies before I get into a relationship with a man. Once you've been bitten you are definitely twice shy. I just hope Christie Brinkley has learned to pay attention to the red flags and she doesn't repeat the same mistake again.

12 comments:

adventure grrl said...

I have been guilty of this too. The thing is... you can NEVER never be close to this kind of guy. Which makes me wonder, what is it about me that wants to be with guys I can't get close to? HMMMMMMMM... I'm working on that!

Two Date Diva said...

AG- Yep, I'm working on it too!

Average Girl In Average World said...

Once again another great post.

I have been wondering what kind of men were your "type" that you blogged about before.

PrincessB said...

Ah the narcissist. Been there, done that. Trying to avoid it again. Great post.

I feel for Christie, but seriously, 4 marriages? She's either more optimistic or something else than me. I think I'd stop after two failed. Sad.

Two Date Diva said...

AGAW- thanks! I have struggled to figure out my type, but I've definitely got a pattern with the narcissistic boys. I guess you got own the pattern to break it.

Princess B- Yeah, Christie seems to be a romantic at heart. Perhaps she could do with a healthy dose of cynicism when it comes to the charms of men.

walt said...

So, what are the tip-offs you see early on that the guy is a narcissist?

A lot of women say they wanted to be "courted" in an "old fashioned way." I assume this means aggressive pursuit - the man does all the work, and the woman sits back and soaks it in. But what man is really going to be willing to try to build a relationship that way? Perhaps the narcissist who's looking to build up his status by obtaining a certain woman, rather than seeking a real partnership? My point is that women sometimes invite this kind of guy in to their lives by desiring a guy who will aggressivley court them, and not stopping to see what he's really after.

Two Date Diva said...

Walt, I agree that some women(myself included) can invite this sort of guy in. But it has nothing to do with the type of pursuit. I disagree that the type of pursuit you gave an example of is aggressive. Aggressive to me is when a guy is relentless with calling, emailing etc. and not taking no for an answer. The type of pursuit you talked about to me is rather normal (at least in my neck of the woods). If a guy is taking the initiative to ask a woman out, that shows her that he's interested and wants to date her. Once they have established a bit of a dating pattern she can begin to do more initiating on her own. That way, she's not chasing him. which most men seem to find a turn off. There really shouldn't be any "chasing" involved on either side if a relationship is healthy. No one should have to make you want to be with them.

The things to look for are not always apparent until you've been dating awhile. For example, one guy kept trying to get me to dye my hair blonde again (he'd seen pictures of me with blonde hair). He kept saying how I knew he wanted to date a blonde. I told him he should go do that, it just wouldn't be me. His "request" was all about what he wanted, not about what I liked or disliked about my own hair. He was also obsessed with the fact that if we dated I might get fat. Both really narcissistic guys I dated were obsessed with the fact that I might not always be the same size. It wasn't about my health mind you, it was about the fact that they didn't want to be tethered to a "fat chick."

walt said...

TDD, I was not referring to taking the initiative to ask a woman out, which of course is normal and expected. I was referring to men who behave in an excessively "romantic" manner toward a woman they just started dating - plying her with gifts, saying lots of flowery things. Do you buy into this kind of thing, and do these kinds of guys stick around?

Your examples were of men who either wanted you to change your appearance, or not let it change dramatically. Honestly, I don't think there are many men (or women) who have could care less about their partner's appearance. We all have our likes and dislikes, in terms of what we are attracted to. No one should try to make someone change for them, but hoping that your partner doesn't change dramatically doesn't seem unreasonable. I'm not clear why these guys were "obsessed" about the possibility of you putting on weight - do you have a history of dramatic weight fluctuation?

Two Date Diva said...

Usually guys who come on really strong with flowers etc. tend to not stick around, in my experience, but it may not be the experience of others. If a guy is too much into that kind of wooing to quickly, I think he is a blowtorcher and I don't fall for it. I take the seeing is believing approach. Some women are very flattered by flowery sentiments and are overwhelmed with them, but I always proceed with caution.

The obsession with my weight was very weird because I'm only about 90 pounds and I've been the same size since I was 15! It was really more about the ego of the guys that I was dating. they wanted me to continue to look the same because of what people might think of them. It wasn't about me.

walt said...

90 pounds??? The only concern that the guy ought to have is that you don't weigh enough! Get out there and eat some French Fries! (just kidding).

Anonymous said...

Oh, this is so familiar. I am married to one. I have been married to him since i was 19 and he was 39. Ten years later, or actually, much earlier, i started to realize that he is the most narcissistic man i have ever known (although i can count the men i've really known with the fingers of one hand). I realized that everything he ever did and does is about how other people will judge him on the deed. He doesn't just help an old lady cross the street, but will make sure someone he knows saw this and then would tell everyone else about his nobility. Everything he does for me has the same connotation (he will never forget to tell his friends or remind my family what he did). I thinking about getting a divorce. Being close to thirty now, i cannot imagine living my life like this any more. I want to live my life, not his...

Surfergrrl said...

great post! It's a good wake up call for things to be aware of while your dating. I've always been pretty skeptical of guys who come on way to strong in the beginning.